
Question:
By the definition of veganism.
[T]he word “veganism” denotes a philosophy and way of living which seeks to exclude — as far as is possible and practical — all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food, clothing or any other purpose; and by extension, promotes the development and use of animal-free alternatives for the benefit of humans, animals and the environment. In dietary terms it denotes the practice of dispensing with all products derived wholly or partly from animals.
The little bit there “as far as is possible and practical” would mean it’s okay. I know that I don’t but I just feel frustrated when the vegan police come out in full force because someone once gave into peer pressure, a craving or made a mistake.
Do you think we need to change the definition to make “the vegan police” happy or should we all just remind ourselves these “accidents” are okay?
THANKS!
There’s a world of difference between accidentally consuming a animal product and knowingly consuming it due to peer pressure. If you occasionally eat meat, then you shouldn’t call yourself a vegan.
“as far as is possible and practical ”
means just that. its perfectly possible, and practical, to say “no”
no one in the western world died by skipping on an offer of food.
Its not about “vegan police”. If you exhibit the behaviour of “occassionally eating meat” then you create many problems for the rest of vegans.
If someone sees you occassionally eating meat, they will then assume thats the “vegan” thing to do. And thats clearly not the case.
“mistakes” are different to consciously eating meat
I think the fact that someone is eating a vegan diet and living a vegan lifestyle says a lot about them already.
They are almost always health-concious, they are generally doing it for animal welfare, and they have actually asked questions, and seeked answers on nutrition far beyond anything they jam down our throats at school. They decided to do something that people might not approve of, because they either want to, need to, or were recommended to.
If you really are passionate aboutbeing a vegan, you will do as much as you CAN, and if you sometimes eat dairy accidently that’s OK, just be careful that this is what you stand by and try to make sure it doesn’t happen again.
But, the subject of peer pressure – i’m sorry but I don’t feel like that’s a good excuse. People can’t make you do anything unless they are phsyically holding you down. Which is unlikely, if they are your “peers”…
So no matter what sub you shouldn’t succumb to peer pressure. Stand up for what you believe in, even if you are standing alone.
The vegan police, is like the tooth fairy, they don’t exist, people make them up in their heads.
why do you need to claim to be vegan? couldn’t you just say you eat a mostly plant based diet?
would you eat parts of dogs or cats under peer pressure? if not then your biggest issue might be speciesism, much like the majority of society. you could try to expand your circle of compassion to fully include all nonhuman animals not just pets and i bet you would have an easier time with your moral consistency if you choose to pursue veganism.
another resource that may be helpful is the “vegetarian food for thought” podcast. it addresses lots of similar issues to the one you are dealing with. best of luck to you
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I feel everyone has a right to eat what they want when they want to.
It is no one else’s business.
If someone eats meat, dairy, eggs, honey etc. and they call them self vegan they are responsible to no one else but him or herself.
The key words are — as far as possible and practical–
One has to eat to nourish ones body, and extremes are not good for anyone.
Since when is a conscience necessary for doing one thing and saying saying another? (I will no longer be facetious.)
That is my bottom line.
I am a vegetarian – not a vegan – so I hope you all don’t mind if I throw in my two cents.
The whole concept of “cheating” or giving in to cravings when it comes to a lifestyle choice you have made is patently absurd. I cannot help but roll my eyes when I hear people casually write off such behavior and continue to call themselves vegans or vegetarians. For what it’s worth, recovering alcoholics who have been sober for any length of time start over from day one if they have a slip-up. They don’t say, “I’ve been sober for five years – except for that time last month when I had a bad day and got totally trashed.” A vegan or vegetarian has only been such since the last time they “cheated,” in my opinion. You can’t honestly say you’ve been vegan for three years if you had fish last weekend. It doesn’t work like that.
I’ve been a vegetarian for over eight years. I am 22, I started when I was 14. I have never once cheated. Not once. I have been to parties, banquets and even weddings at which there has been very little or nothing meatless for me to eat. On those occasions, I stared at an empty plate or muched on a piece of bread while everyone else ate their meals. People tried to convince me to just “try a little” or have it “just this once.” I would do no such thing.
I’m not trying to pretend like I’m on some moral high-ground. I admit, being a vegetarian may be easier than being a vegan. But I have adopted a set of values by which I choose to live (and eat), and I simply refuse to compromise on a whim. I wouldn’t steal “just this once” if I really wanted – but couldn’t afford – something. I wouldn’t say I’ll “just try it” if someone was using meth in front of me. And I certainly wouldn’t eat meat just because someone slaughtered it, grilled it and put it on a plate in front of me!
Glad your curious. Now I am a vegetarian for about 9 months. Usually people can’t go past 2-3 months. I am proud of myself. But I will soon go vegan. And in my few months of vegetarianism, I have adapted these weird “senses”. Now, when I smell meat, I can tell which sort of animal it is, or what dish. Its weird, but interesting. Also, I’ve had dreams of eating meat, which are more like nightmares. You won’t miss it once you go past that 3 month phase. Trust me, you will just learn to ignore it.
who cares-i eat meat once in a while and cook it for my family because they like to eat it even though it is not my fave
Following a mistake, a lapse or giving in to a craving a vegan could just recognise it for what it was, put it behind them and resume their normal diet.
It wouldn’t make them suddenly a non-vegan.
But I wonder if your referring to a question posted a little while ago where someone asked if she could continue to eat fish, yogurt and honey from time to time and still call herself a vegan?
The answer there has to be no. I don’t think ‘as far as is possible and practical’ was intended to cover someone who feels they can’t stick to a vegan diet, but wants to be called a vegan.
And I don’t think it would be fair to the people who pointed this out to her to label them ‘vegan police’.
I’d save that title for the idiots who tell you, for example, that you shouldn’t take medicine when you’re ill – which is the sort of situation the ‘possible or practical’ clause was intended to cover.
When I was young, there was only “vegetarians”. Some people will always take things to extreeeemmmmeeeeessss! Just live your life the way you want to and be happy with who you are. Don’t let others dictate thier beliefs upon you.
Who knows, pretty soon the vegan police will be out knocking on doors, passing out pamphlets and trying to get you to change your life for them. Ever had anyone knock on your door? I live in the Bible Belt and I get one group a week where I live. If you get my point.
Eat what you want, live like you want to live. As long as you don’t break the governments’ laws, your doing just fine.
I have always agreed that “accidents” happen to everyone – using margarine that is not vegan, things you would not necessarily think of having animal based ingredients in.
But you mentioned “gave into peer pressure or craving.” IMHO both of those are controllable and not “accidents.”
Very little in life is black or white. I just try to live mine the best I can within lesser self constraints than some others.
edit After thinking about your prior question some more you come across as being hypoctitical in your stance.